登這段廣告的這個「以勒基金」,就算不是一家正式的教會,也是打正基督教招牌的組織。
他們日日在明報上登廣告,開口閉口徵引聖經,鼓動信徒代禱這樣代禱那樣。
8月21日這一段,明修棧道,暗(其實已是擺明車馬)渡陳倉,為一個政黨拉票,也太離譜了。
「求神主管立法會選舉」,說得好聽,是他們的信仰自由,沒問題。但這個廣告之目的,不單是禱告希望神啟發所有政黨做好本份----主要訊息就在第一段,其實是為民建聯的支持度下跌告急拉票!
這就有點詭異了,如果神是主宰一切的,祂對這個世界自有其大計;那麼民建聯的支持
在人類歷史上,搞東搞西,以為自己是在「替天行道」的,可能是英雄或梟雄。另一些我稱之為「借天行
就以常識來判斷吧,求上帝保佑主張無神論、打壓宗教自由的中國執政黨在香港特區的爪牙民建聯,呢班「基督徒
廣告的標題金句,是羅馬書第13章「在上有權柄的,人人當順服他,因為沒有權柄不是出於神的。凡掌權的都是神所命的。」
這是 民 主 選 舉 呀,大佬!議員的身份是要獲人民授權才得到的,你要堅持「凡掌權的都是神所命的」,我會認為,民意所歸就是體現了「神的旨意」。(前文: 5分鐘哲學:天人感應)
我不妨回敬他們一句:民建聯民望下降,哈里路亞,榮耀歸於神!
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神和政治的關係,還是分開遠一點的好。耶穌的教訓,你們好好記住
馬太福音第22章:
- 當時,法利賽人出去商議,怎樣就著耶穌的話陷害他,
- 就打發他們的門徒同希律黨的人去見耶穌,說:夫子,我們知道你是誠實人,並且誠誠實實傳神的道,什麼人你都不徇情面,因為你不看人的外貌。
- 請告訴我們,你的意見如何?納稅給該撒可以不可以?
- 耶穌看出他們的惡意,就說:假冒為善的人哪,為什麼試探我?
- 拿一個上稅的錢給我看!他們就拿一個銀錢來給他。
- 耶穌說:這像和這號是誰的?
- 他們說:是該撒(註:即「凱撒大帝」)的。耶穌說:這樣,該撒的物當歸給該撒;神的物當歸給神。
- 他們聽見就希奇,離開他走了。
基督教網頁時代論壇的批評:嚴厲譴責以勒基金 停止以解籤的方法扭曲聖經
(文章允許轉貼,請具作者名字:梁煥松)
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很多人很喜歡口口聲聲說幾愛耶穌,卻喜歡引舊約聖經章節。
回覆刪除適合他們想做或叫人做的,就拿過來用,不適合的就當看不見----他們的慣技。
刪除正如曾蔭權和許仕仁是所謂虔誠教徒一樣。
刪除要數,還有大把
刪除林瑞麟、陳茂波、梁美芬.........
我只能說,教徒和非教徒都有好人、壞人。
睇完該基金的網頁,感覺似搞籌款、跑江湖居多:
回覆刪除1/ 没有清淅組織圖 (只有一位總幹事,另設董事會、顧問團及執委會),有點像家庭/族生意。
2/ 自命超宗派團體 (即係對教義無特別見解、宗旨)。
3/ 大事小事都攪祈禱會 (晒馬)。
4/ 叫得基金,梗係要籌款!
您睇埋佢網頁內,認識以勒>如何開始....就會發現呢個總幹事,宗教經歷有點「緣」!
http://www.jirehfund.org/intro/begin.php
上次立法會選舉,某基督教派支持某幾個信仰基督教的候選人,其中有民建聯的候
回覆刪除選人!
蘇穎智撐梁美芬嘛,黃晒啦!
刪除真係抓爆頭﹐傳統左派唔係主張無神論咩﹖
回覆刪除因乜解究整個教會嘅殼來拉票﹖
正如當年公安局長陶駟驅該:黑社會也有「愛國」的 >>> 大概因此國內也有天主教愛國教會、及由源於洪門致公堂的致公黨吧!
刪除我明你想講乜﹐但崩口人忌崩口碗
刪除唔好無神神扯返去講古惑仔愛唔愛國得唔得﹖(笑)
同埋呢﹐唔計愛國等唔等於愛黨﹐香港確實真係有唔少古惑仔﹐係真心撐阿爺果隻﹐好多時你見到班大底去撐場﹐都真係因為比面阿爺﹐唔係為錢果隻!
當然﹐你要話早排企立法會班金毛﹐就算數啦
果班友難聽笑笑講...掛藍X籠都唔算係lor~~
我都承認有人是真心愛國和愛黨,像我以前講過那個澳洲伯。
刪除抱歉文少,先來跟您賠不是!
刪除計我話呢班咁本係下九流神棍!無資格同正宗教會及社團比!
我想亞爺其實非常現實,只要能為其服務者,唔會太執着佢本質:哪管他哈里路亞、還是南無阿尼佗佛。
P.S. 所謂黑社會,只不過係做一些風險較高,一般人唔會做(甚至睇唔起)既邊緣行業而矣,我認反正都係社會上一個崗位吧,社會無佢地係會失衡的。所謂仗義每多屠狗輩,您睇下日本地震,第一班開貨車衝入災區送物資,全部幫會中人是也;相反班議員就無貨賣了。
話老兄唔理祖家政治都無人信喔。
回覆刪除班友辣慶我。
刪除同樣邏輯可以用返教會班人……
刪除佢地吾係堅實有神論者?做咩走寺幫共產黨?
冷戰時代,自居基督徒的美國總統成日言語攻擊無神論穌共政權,已經過去喇。
梁燕城在8964也對中共口誅筆伐,今日咪幫親政府,現實大把傳道人建制。
點解會慶呢?! 因為大是大非,系人都熱血的嘛!!!
刪除中共明明係無神論,但都要攪D乜嘢中國基督教、天主教愛國教會,仲同梵帝崗對着幹,自己選主教,幾難把政治和宗教分開。所以香港班左友又照攪,總之係亂嚟。難怪有人話,之前凡係英國殖民地嘅地方,英國退出後一定亂,仲話係英國人攪亂檔,其實係自己人攪亂自己嘅檔。
回覆刪除愚民和懦民多,強國大黨才可以這樣打橫行。
刪除有時會諗,偽君子處處地方都有,只有越混亂的時候才會露出尾巴!
回覆刪除路遙知馬力,板盪見忠良。
刪除Perhaps the advertisement is intended to support the 民建聯 that is suffering falling popularity. But I did not get the message clearly. It may indicate the failure of such advertisement.
回覆刪除Yes, it cited the news report in the beginning. However, the remaining content seems to talk about generality, a kind of motherhood statement. It can be a double-sided sword, if that organization really wants to use the bible to support 民建聯. The democratic candidates may also get the supports if ordinary voters read the ads.
The organization (以勒基金 ) always use a news item in the beginning. It does not seem that it supports the subject in the news. The Aug. 25 ads talks about juvenile sex. Does 以勒基金 support juvenile sex? Of course not. It calls for pro-life among other fundamentalist dogmas. The reader may agree or disagree with its point of view. But the opening news item is merely an opening news item.
Samson,
Ontario, Canada
「以勒基金認唔夠政治敏感」
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或者是蠢人做蠢事吧。
我並非基督徒,但是強烈感應到有種力量指示我出一分力去反對呢個邪教以勒基金,以及邪毒民建聨及其邪惡主子共産黨。九月一號上街去,九月九號大家合力決心打殘建制派,留俾港人一條生路。
回覆刪除兄台和我一樣,老馬有火,非同小可!
刪除I looked up the 以勒基金 website. There seems to be nothing that suggests their endorsement to 民建聯 or any other political parties in HK. The website contains usual conservative Christian doctrines that are not surprise to me.
回覆刪除The subject advertisement received rebuttal from another Christian group (時代論壇 ). The interesting point is that the rival Christian group only accuses 以勒基金 for their misuse or misinterpretation of the bible passages, not their political message, if any, per se. Squabbles between two or more warring Christian groups are nothing new. We have seen this kind of fighting all over the world every day. Any Christian denomination always thinks itself holier than the others; and they are the only one who has the key to the Kingdom of God.
Samson,
Ontario, Canada
所以樓上的文少或可放心,不大像是該政黨「借殼上市」。
刪除世上佛口蛇心的人何其多!
回覆刪除我會說這是「真心膠」多D。
刪除這就是Chris San的分別了。佢總是+ve多一點吧。
刪除舊料,太平天國洪秀全曾用基督教做招牌啦.
回覆刪除另一個基督教教派, 也是外國定為神學上的異端, 在香港正洲和各地也不斷擴張.
回覆刪除是由中國內地人在1930-50年在內地創立的 主的恢復Lord's Recovery/地方教會.
因為唯我獨專, 在某區成立便是某區教會.
其他教派錯, 只有他們正確. 拒絕慶祝聖誕節.
他們自己版本的聖經超厚, 因為其獨門註釋常比原文長.
一星期信徒見面最少兩次. 其中一次會用信徒的家mingling.
每年出國受訓(洗腦)最少一次.
在台灣更在富貴地區有聚會所. 有自己的出版社.
香港有不少聚會所. 信徒中有香港有公務員.
基督教(新教)支派很多,就是因為對教義有不同的解釋所致。
刪除認為自己才對,別人是錯,也是必然的了。
The new school term is about to start soon. The 國民教育 or “Brain Wash” is going to be implemented in HK. The options are the choice of washing liquids: solvent, detergent, bleach, ammonia or soup and water.
回覆刪除The interesting point is that during the debate against “Brain Wash”, nobody seems to raise the issue that the churches in HK have brain washed HK people for over a century. Is it any wonder that no church leaders seriously stand up against 國民教育? The churches seem to be as guilty as the next guy when it comes to “Brain Wash”.
Christianity is the only religion in the world that goes out to convert non-believers. Oh, yes, I know that Jesus told his disciples to do so according to the bible. However, even Jesus tolerated different opinions and beliefs in his days. Not so with today’s Christians. They believe that “You are either with me or against me”, “Evil vs. Good”.
Samson,
Ontario, Canada
有一點分別,入不入教會學校,是家長的選擇,而現在講的國民教育,是要全香港推行的。
刪除除了明顯的主要宗教如猶太教,印度教、道教,其他宗教或多或少都向外人傳道的。只能說基督教----之中的若干派別,特別熱衷,有時聲音最大。
Personally I have no problem to tolerate any churches or any other religions. I also accept the fact all religions more or less connect to politics and state power. Take Christianity as an example. Without the blessing of the Roman Emperor Constantine and later the expansion of the colonial powers, Christianity possibly already dissipated into history. The reason Emperor Constantine became a nominal Christian was because he believed the Cross helped him win a decisive battle to the Roman throne. He himself did only get baptized until on his death bed.
回覆刪除In the US no president can be elected without getting the support from the church or making peace with the church.
In China, the very existence of the church is at the mercy of the state power. Churches of Protestant denominations are relatively easily allowed in China because they lack of a uniformed organization to cause trouble. The Catholic Church is more difficult because where the first loyalty of the believers will be, to Beijing or to Vatican?
In HK, I do not believe the churches will have great influence in the election anyway. They can pray for whomever or argue within themselves till the Kingdom come.
Samson,
Ontario, Canada
比起有雄厚本錢施行小惠、用旅遊巴載老人投票的建制派政黨,教會拉票的力量的確微不足道。
刪除上帝有靈,保佑那班時常掩住良心講嘢的建制派在立法會選舉屍橫遍地!
回覆刪除有報導在香港朝朝去教堂禱告的曾蔭權,去了英國冇去教堂,不知是間中去或是冇去,人有九品,品品不同,
不論是教徒或非教徒亦是良莠不齊,做人最緊要對得住天地良心,不過對那班在永遠在名利圈打滾的人,講都嘥氣.他們的格言,最緊要他們富貴,話之你閉詭. april
年來那些高調自己是教徒的高官和議員,所作所為嚇壞人。
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